Check it out! My first Mailbag entry!
Pete writes:
Question for you regarding pitchers and their ability or non-ability to hit their “spots”. When a pitcher, such as last night when Hughes was pitching to Guerrero and had him looking like a 2nd grader swinging a wet noodle, throws at a 45 foot curveball for a swinging strike do you throw him another CB to get rid of him or waste a pitch up and in to his zone? We know what happened, Hughes missed down the d@ck and Vlad as his does hits a weak GB up the middle for a hit to extend the inning. Was that pitch a mistake because he missed his “spot”???? What is the percentage of mistake pitches that are made during a MLB game. Someone here has the opinion that it is somewhere in the 85% range of mistake pitches during an MLB game. I am very curious to read your take on this.
Thank you!
Pete
And, from Pops:
Bob,
Dan Koosed is my Assistant GM here at the Flyers. We debate baseball a fair amount and have been discussing the bad umpiring on the last few games as have you.
I made mention about the infamous “mistake” pitch and it boiled down to me claiming that a pitcher only really hits his “spot” perhaps as low as 15% of the time. I mean really throws the ball exactly where he intends it to go!
Not talking balls and strikes here, I am talking I threw the dang thing on the mark I set in my brain.
So the question is to the wise Bob Sanchez, what percentage of the time do you think this occurs? That th pitcher could actually say I meant to hit that spot?
Can’t wait for your answer. No money on it. . . yet.
XXOO
Readers comin’ out of the woodwork! I love it! If I didn’t know better, I’d think Pete and Pops are trying to settle a bet through Bob Sanchez’ BS. Bring it on!
Pops, tough question that doesn’t have a scientific answer as far as I know! Some smart folks have studied it and written about it on the Internet, and there still isn’t a way to get into another human being’s head and know for sure what he wanted to do.
Yet that is what analysts and scouts are asked to do. You can rely on the catcher’s target and what you know about the pitcher and the pitch sequences, but I don’t think anybody is any more or less clued in than the hitter, and if we’ve done this right, most of us remember what it’s like to be a hitter!
I’m cycling through the memories of the hundreds of pitching performances I’ve seen over the last four years and settling on numbers that seem right, so please pardon the lack of scientific evidence here.
A lot depends on how you define a “spot,” and of course the pitcher’s objective (within the objective of getting the guy in the batter’s box out) changes with every succeeding pitch. On a 3-0 count, for example, you want to throw a strike that doesn’t get hit 10,000 miles assuming the batter would swing and you’re not trying to walk him. Your “spot” would be pretty big, then, in that case.
I think a Major League starting pitcher with poor command on any given day will still hit his spot with 30 out of 100 pitches. Of course, he probably won’t get to 100, but I think 30% is the least you can expect from a professional starter at the highest level on the planet.
A starter who is dealin’ will be somewhere between 50% and 70% for me. Here, the fact that he is having a great day works in his favor. You can bet the hitters are talking about the location of his stuff, and they may not be expecting anything good to hit. Let’s say a pitcher misses his spots and walks a guy or gives up a double, well that’s no matter, he’s on fire with his command and will get the next guy. That’s my best explanation as to how a guy can be dominant and still “miss” 40% of the time.
Pitches over the middle of the plate are easier to hit hard than pitches elsewhere, for the most part. However, hitting is so difficult that even if the pitcher “leaves one over the middle,” it’s not the end of the world. Watch the HR round of BP and see how guys ooh and aah when the batter hits three in a row out of the yard. Or 28 HR in one round of the Derby? Just amazing.
The best hitters hit the tobacco juice out of pitches over the middle when they get them, but if every “miss” left the park or eluded the eight gloves out there, we’d have guys hitting .450 with 130 HR. Yes, hitters get good pitches to hit that often.
Pete, let’s get to your question for one example of a “mistake.” As you mentioned, Hughes’ target on that pitch was up an in out of the strike zone, a tough pitch for Vlad to do anything with except hit on the ground between the shortstop and third baseman as we’ve seen him do countless times. That may have been why Jeter seemed to be a step or two closer to third base.
Hughes ended up throwing the ball right down the c@ck, as you put it, and Vlad hit a weak grounder up the middle that got “pasta-diving Jeter!” My head sunk when he hit that ball, as yours probably did, because it didn’t seem to have enough juice to get through the infield in that first instant. The replay showing the reaction on the bench was exactly the same. The guys stayed down and exploded when it got through; they didn’t get up on their toes on the crack of the bat and then jump up in a separate motion as could be expected if Vlad had hit a rod.
Telling, isn’t it? Here’s a “mistake,” and it’s not hit well. Hughes missed his target, that is undeniable. But so did Vlad! Unbelievable! Unacceptable? Imperfect execution on both ends, but not what I would call mistakes. Asking Hughes to thread the needle or Vlad to hit everything in a certain zone on the screws every time is asking too much.
I’ve asked around and heard the “mistake pitch” attributed to Tom Glavine, who called one of his own pitches a mistake after a game in the 1990s. It spread like wildfire and morphed into what we know today, the casual comment made by commentators about pitches that went wrong based on the results.
People feel smart when they can point out where someone else messed up, and I think that announcers and fans alike don’t consider what they are doing when they criticize these elite athletes. They can say, “The Twins can’t make these mistakes and expect to beat the Yankees,” or “You know you can’t make pitches like that to Vlad,” around the water cooler and feel like baseball geniuses. Disrespectful, negative, and derogatory, each and every one.
What “mistake” hounds miss, I think, is that the pitcher-batter matchup is not a Scantron test with one side automatically executing something based on the human input on the other. It’s two human beings facing each other in a battle of wits and skill, and the success rate is perfect enough from either side that it makes the battle fun to watch. Again, and again, and again.
Thank you, gentlemen, for reading and asking.
